Thoughts about Master Po

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Thoughts about Master Po

I've played Master Po a lot and my thought about him is that it is a beautiful model, but his rules have to be changed a little to fill the gap between 12 rice cost and what effectively he brings to the table. I think that Master Po should cost 10 rice, because:

- he haven't Iron Mind (1) like many other masters or monks

- he haven't Ranged Defence (1) like the other masters or monks

- his Ki Feats cost too much ki for doing something that other monks do with less, and in some case, better

So, i've some ideas to change a little the rules of Master Po with the hope to see hm on the tables. The concept of this martial art master is to build up a model that is a powerhouse of close combat and a solid like rock fighter right? well, just start to add to his traits Iron Mind (1) because the mental discipline is foundamental to became a master of martial arts. I would also add Martial Prowess (1) to make Po more scary in close combat. The other traits he have should be remain the same. I think that we have to lower the cost of his Ki Feats to 3ki each or should be changed a little. Here some ideas:

Hammer Strike: 3ki - Brutal (1) and Powerful Attack (0)

Butterfly Stance: 3ki - Parry (1) and Sweep Defence (0)

Wasp Punch: XXki - remain the same but cost less ki

A model like this can be very scary in close combat: he is resistant, he can hit hard and can protect himself very well and have some traits that help him to do his job very well... and actually is worth 12 rice.

The meaning of these thoughts is to give some ideas to the Bushido team to make really playable a model that, sadly, sees the gaming table very rarely.

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I'm going to disagree.  First, I see Po used a lot, I use him in many lists he's one of our best damage dealers.

He doesn't have Iron Mind (1) but he has 3 Ki so has similar defensive ability.

He doesn't have Ranged Defense (1) but he has Toughness (1) so again has similar defensive ability.

Martial Prowess is one of the best combat traits in the game, It rarely comes with Temple's very-super-almost-free Melee Boosts.  I think if you wanted a Monk with Martial Prowess you'd have to limit everything else he does.

Po has 2 feats which are the "Ultimate" versions of feats.  They are expensive but then he has Ki 3 and is in Temple, we use more points of Ki than any other faction.  I wouldn't swap them for your weaker versions and TBH Sweep Defense (0) is unlikely to ever happen.
Remember for minimal investment in Rice we can get cheaper feats and free Ki.  Those 4 costs aren't so bad when they cost 3 and Po has 10 Ki to spend.

Overall, I think Po is an integral tool in our kit, and I see him used (And use him myself) so often that he can't be bad!

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I agree with LEJ here, Po is one of the scariest things for my cult to face, his feats arent so expensive as he can effectively fire one off every other turn, the same as most non-temple models. I see him a lot and I don't like it;)

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we have different experience, and this is nice ^__^

my experience with Master Po is that his ki feat don't save him from strong fighters, and don't grant him a big punch in offensive, if the opponent is a little smart. Suchiro, Riku, Kenko do their job as well as Po but cost less rice. For the cult, i'm sorry for what i write but every other Master is better than Po for opposed ki test, for sure. Ret-LEJ you're right, remove the highest dice in attack/defence is very powerful, but other models (like Master Akari for example) have the same ability but cost one ki less and i don't know why... 

Personally i'm in love with Master Po, but i think that is overpriced... if i think about a model that had saved me a game in this year, that model isn't Master Po :'(

@Ret-LEJ Can i ask you what models you play with Master Po?

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Master Po
Kenko
Suchiro - > Prayer Beads
Aiko
Rice Farmer
Air Kami
Earth Kami
Moment of Enlightenment
 

Forcing an opponent to drop leir highest dice is considerably better than anything else in melee.
I honestly can't see what you are up against where forcing an attacker to drop their highest attack and Toughness (1) in a faction where Armour (2) is readily available is even scratching Po.  
Is it just lucky Critical Strikes on 0 level attacks?  

Combo Attack (0) combined with forcing a drop of a defense dice should guarantee you 2-3 hits and Po starts at +1, maybe he will be up to +2 on the damage roll (Easily) and add some Fire 1 markers.  Po can deal with pretty much anything.

Akari has it cheaper for a simple reason:  He has to use it.  He dies to one hit so you must use all his defenses every combat!
Po can take a hit or two so you don't need it every time.
Especially with the huge amount of healing Temple can put out, Po can focus solely on the offense and just heal the damage he takes back later.

Wasp Punch is the only thing I think is maybe slightly odd but I only use it for one extra dice for 1 Ki most times.

Grand Master of Bushido (Smog Con '14)

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ok, i understand what you say, i think... i'll try again to learn how to use Po better, conforted by your words :P