2 models, all defense

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2 models, all defense

So this situation happened in my last gane:
During a melee exchange both models put all dice into defence. One of the models, the defender, declared side step defence.
So the question is what happens? Do both models roll their dice? Can the side step defence work since there isn't really an attack?
Just seeking some clarification.

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The only defence which requires any attack dice in opposition is Counter. Defender successfully Sidesteps.

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In the case that both declares SSD, only the first defender successfully execute it because the second is already out of his ZoC?
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Yarp.

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Awesome, thanks for the clarification

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Sidestep defence activate even if the active model (attacker first) successfully sidestep but kill the opponent model with his attack?

(example, the attacker put 3 dice in attack and 1 in defence and declare sidestep, the defender fail his defence and die and didn't put any dice on attack.)

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You are doing both hits sepperatly

In your example the attacking model attacks first. You are executing the first attack (attacker -> defender) and after that the second attack (defender -> attacker). If a special attack (or any other effect) cancels the BTB position between the models then the second attack doesnt trigger.

So no Sidestep defence since this nothing is there to step aside

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One of the easiest things to do in a melee  exchange that makes it pretty clear is -- after all dice are rolled -- to separate the dice like so:

Group 1: Model with Initiative's Attack dice and defending model's defense dice.

Group 2: Model without Initiative's Attack dice and defending model's defense dice.

Resolve group 1 completely before moving to group 2. Some things from group 2 may not happen because of what happens in group 1. Some examples would be pushing, sidesteping, slamming and, of course, dying. :)
 

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